If you're interested in making your own instant messaging server, I would recommend following @snikket_im
They are trying to make XMPP messenger servers easier for ordinary people to use and host. It's not quite ready yet, but they are in mass beta testing and should launch soon 🤞
XMPP is a good decentralised alternative to Whatsapp etc so it would be brilliant if it can be made accessible to everyone.
More info at https://snikket.org
Also, to make clear, Snikket is still XMPP so it is compatible with existing XMPP servers and software.
They aren't trying to start a messaging network from scratch.
@kaip @homegrown @snikket_im From what I can tell the Matrix protocol seems just as based on web standards as XMPP, it’s just that Matrix tries to be much more holistic for the human-to-human messaging case: https://matrix.org/faq/#what-is-the-difference-between-matrix-and-xmpp%3F
@kaip @homegrown @snikket_im I think you’re setting the bar for “real standard” at if it’s gone through a body like the IETF. I don’t think Matrix has ruled that out, right, it’s just that they haven’t decided it’s stable enough to go through that yet?
You mentioned the funding source as a bad thing, can you elaborate? My impression is lots of useful open standards come out of for-profit work.
@mhs @homegrown @snikket_im Yes, standards _can_ emerge from for-profit work. But more often than not we just get products and apps. Matrix makes and controls the protocol, the only production ready server implementation, the most popular client and the most popular server instance. It's a single company making their thing, with no intention to built on and improve existing internet standards.
@kaip @homegrown @snikket_im I'm sorry, I'm still not following why the Matrix approach is hostile to an open decentralized web. Isn't that state - a single most-popular implementation for clients and servers for ease of use and faster evolution - explicitly a goal of Snikket? https://snikket.org/blog/products-vs-protocols/
The Matrix governing body seems to have representation from multiple groups and it's not clear to me how it's all that different from the XSF: https://matrix.org/foundation/
@kaip @homegrown @snikket_im By holistic I was just repeating the Matrix FAQ, which says their protocol takes more of a kitchen sink approach than XMPP: https://matrix.org/faq/#what-is-the-difference-between-matrix-and-xmpp%3F
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